VGA VAX battery upgrade

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Re: VGA VAX battery upgrade

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Langca skrev: 1. november 2023 17:04 Another thing, currently I am having problems with the rear wheel of the scooter. It's a bit difficult to explain, but you can imagine that normally if you use your hand to spin the wheel, it will spin a few times, but my wheel stops as soon as I release my hand, and I also have to use quite a bit of force to spin it. I guess it's the reason the battery drains much faster. Because in September, I can run more than 53km per charge, but the temperature at this time is not too cold but it only runs about 32km. I replaced the brake pads, but it's still the same
It is either the brake that hangs a little or your rear wheel bearings are defective. If I remember correctly, there are drum brakes on your VGA VAX. The most simple mistake will be that you have tightened the brake cable too much or that the inner cable runs hard, perhaps because it has been pinched. Another possible fault on the rear brake is the shaft that goes from the arm where you put your brake cable in and through the anchor plate, which can rust so much that the springs above the brake shoes cannot lift them and the brake cable to neutral position when you release the rear brake. The cure here is usually WD40 and regular engine olie, when the axle has come loose, you remove the brake cable and wiggle the brake arm back and forth.

If it is the bearings in the rear wheel that are defective, you can usually feel it when there is lateral play in the wheel. You should be very careful when removing the rear wheel as the wires to the motor go through the axle and they are very fragile. Perhaps it would be an idea for you to seek professional help for changing the bearing in the rear wheel.

Regards Leif.
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Re: VGA VAX battery upgrade

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scootergrisen skrev: 1. november 2023 17:46 250 x 190 x 158 cm :yikes: that's a big one.
But I'm guessing you mean mm not cm.
Which sounds good but you also need to know where the connector is location.

Better check the maximum charge current before you buy a 12 og 15 ampere charger.
I think I investigated that 12 ampere was the highest current charger i wanted.
Seems the battery last longer th slower you charger.
Also might be nice to have a waterproof charger in you want to use it outside.

If you think 14 kg is heavy you should see what the 3 wheel cabin scooters with lead acid batteries carry around.
But yeah if you have you remove the battery and carry it up stairs in one arm each time you have to charge its heavy.
So hopefully you have a setup where you primarily charge so you dont have to remove the battery each time you want to charge it.

Create a new topic about the read wheel and we can talk about it there.
Sorry my bad, I mean mm :D
Thank you for mentioning the connector location. If you install the connector in a different direction than the original battery, it will not connect to the scooter's discharge wire. I didn't pay attention.
Maybe I have to find 12A maximum charger, The seller said that 15A or more will damage the battery in the long term. So 12A is better choice.
The cell is SK 45Ah, I never heard about it.
I live in a not-new apartment building, and most buildings don't have outside outlets or underground garages, so I have to carry the battery up the stairs, into the room, and charge it.
This is the almost last information. I just ask them to fix the charging connector to a normal one like the charger I'm using because we can't find any charger with Chogori port.
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Re: VGA VAX battery upgrade

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Landbo skrev: 1. november 2023 18:15
Langca skrev: 1. november 2023 17:04 Another thing, currently I am having problems with the rear wheel of the scooter. It's a bit difficult to explain, but you can imagine that normally if you use your hand to spin the wheel, it will spin a few times, but my wheel stops as soon as I release my hand, and I also have to use quite a bit of force to spin it. I guess it's the reason the battery drains much faster. Because in September, I can run more than 53km per charge, but the temperature at this time is not too cold but it only runs about 32km. I replaced the brake pads, but it's still the same
It is either the brake that hangs a little or your rear wheel bearings are defective. If I remember correctly, there are drum brakes on your VGA VAX. The most simple mistake will be that you have tightened the brake cable too much or that the inner cable runs hard, perhaps because it has been pinched. Another possible fault on the rear brake is the shaft that goes from the arm where you put your brake cable in and through the anchor plate, which can rust so much that the springs above the brake shoes cannot lift them and the brake cable to neutral position when you release the rear brake. The cure here is usually WD40 and regular engine olie, when the axle has come loose, you remove the brake cable and wiggle the brake arm back and forth.

If it is the bearings in the rear wheel that are defective, you can usually feel it when there is lateral play in the wheel. You should be very careful when removing the rear wheel as the wires to the motor go through the axle and they are very fragile. Perhaps it would be an idea for you to seek professional help for changing the bearing in the rear wheel.

Regards Leif.
Thank you, even though there were many words I couldn't fully understand.
As you said, the rear brake of the VGA VAX is a drum brake. The problem is probably not the brakes. Because before that I was still riding up to a distance of 50km and after coming back from a 1 month vacation (I brought the key with me so I'm pretty sure no one used the scooter) it was quite difficult to push or move scooter by hands. And it runs only up to 32km Then I asked my friend to replace the brake pad with another one but no change.
I have a chat with Thansen and they booked me an appointment on.. November 30
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Maybe its lithium polymer cells or prismatic cells.
But if you cant even get the information why buy it.
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Re: VGA VAX battery upgrade

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Langca skrev: 3. november 2023 15:54
Landbo skrev: 1. november 2023 18:15
Langca skrev: 1. november 2023 17:04 Another thing, currently I am having problems with the rear wheel of the scooter. It's a bit difficult to explain, but you can imagine that normally if you use your hand to spin the wheel, it will spin a few times, but my wheel stops as soon as I release my hand, and I also have to use quite a bit of force to spin it. I guess it's the reason the battery drains much faster. Because in September, I can run more than 53km per charge, but the temperature at this time is not too cold but it only runs about 32km. I replaced the brake pads, but it's still the same
It is either the brake that hangs a little or your rear wheel bearings are defective. If I remember correctly, there are drum brakes on your VGA VAX. The most simple mistake will be that you have tightened the brake cable too much or that the inner cable runs hard, perhaps because it has been pinched. Another possible fault on the rear brake is the shaft that goes from the arm where you put your brake cable in and through the anchor plate, which can rust so much that the springs above the brake shoes cannot lift them and the brake cable to neutral position when you release the rear brake. The cure here is usually WD40 and regular engine olie, when the axle has come loose, you remove the brake cable and wiggle the brake arm back and forth.

If it is the bearings in the rear wheel that are defective, you can usually feel it when there is lateral play in the wheel. You should be very careful when removing the rear wheel as the wires to the motor go through the axle and they are very fragile. Perhaps it would be an idea for you to seek professional help for changing the bearing in the rear wheel.

Regards Leif.
Thank you, even though there were many words I couldn't fully understand.
As you said, the rear brake of the VGA VAX is a drum brake. The problem is probably not the brakes. Because before that I was still riding up to a distance of 50km and after coming back from a 1 month vacation (I brought the key with me so I'm pretty sure no one used the scooter) it was quite difficult to push or move scooter by hands. And it runs only up to 32km Then I asked my friend to replace the brake pad with another one but no change.
I have a chat with Thansen and they booked me an appointment on.. November 30
:yikes: An agreement with T. Hansen on 30 November, you must be a very rich and patient man !!!! :mrgreen:

The fault with the brakes is typically something that happens when the vehicle is stationary for a long time and not when it is used every day.

Regards Leif.
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Re: VGA VAX battery upgrade

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Hello. It's been a while since my Vga Vax's motor broke down while I was planning to upgrade its battery for the electric scooter. I'll share my experience of customizing the scooter and upgrading its performance.
After an appointment with Thansen regarding the motor issue, I took the scooter to them for repair in early December. My scooter stayed there for two months. In the end, they couldn't pinpoint the problem and told me I needed to replace the motor. The cost was 5000 DKK, including installation. Oh man, it was even more expensive than what I paid for the used Vax. I disagreed and took my scooter back.
In April, during a visit to Vietnam to see my family, I bought a new motor and tire combo for only around 700 DKK and brought it back to Denmark to replace the broken motor. Its power was only 1000W. After installation, damn, it could go over 50 km/h. A scary number. Every time I twisted the throttle, it shot off like an arrow.
The performance was powerful, but there were two issues. First, regardless of the speed, even with a slight twist of the throttle, the scooter would jerk and accelerate abruptly. The feeling wasn't smooth. Second, once the scooter was moving, no matter how little or much you twisted the throttle, or even if you held it steady, you couldn't control the speed; it would always accelerate to the maximum. The only way to slow down was to release the throttle. So, every time I rode, I had to twist the throttle slightly, hold it for a moment to accelerate to a high speed, then slow down to a lower speed, and then accelerate again to avoid going faster than 35 km/h, which would cause trouble with the police. I didn't even know what the maximum speed was. Every ride was quite complicated. It was a bit annoying, but I got used to it.
As for the battery, I ordered a 48V-60Ah battery with a fast charger that could fully charge it in just 3
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hours. It cost around 5000 DKK. The original battery was 48V-25Ah and took about 5-6 hours to charge from empty to full. The new charger was three times bigger than the original one. Luckily, the high-capacity battery fit perfectly into the scooter's battery compartment. If the original battery gave a range of about 50 km, the new battery was expected to provide over 120 km on a single charge. It was amazing. It felt like I was riding a monster on the road.
But sadly, less than two weeks after fixing and riding the scooter, I lost it. Perhaps I was too careless and trusted the area I lived in, only locking the steering wheel. I reported it to the police, but they said there was no CCTV around, so they couldn't do anything. It was bitter because I had invested a lot in it and hadn't fully experienced it.
Fortunately, the new battery was still there. It was more expensive than a used Vga Vax. Perhaps out of regret, I bought another used Vax to utilize the battery because I didn't know if any other e-scooter had the same Chogori plug and a battery compartment that could fit the battery, so buying another Vga Vax was the most feasible option.
This time, to learn from my experience, I'll find the best ways to protect the scooter. I found an anti-theft alarm system with a remote control. It has many useful features, such as if someone touches the scooter, an alarm will sound on the remote within a 200m range, and the system will automatically lock the wheel to prevent it from being pushed away, which is very necessary. Oh, the system's voltage is from 48-135V, which is perfectly suitable, unlike the 12V systems used for motorcycles.
The problem is that the Vga Vax doesn't have any plug interfaces for the alarm, so connecting them will be quite complicated. I've learned that it's possible to connect directly to the scooter's wires, but I need to find the right wires. It will be another new customization experience."
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